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Please, sir, can we have another Group Build?

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My thinking is that a 1941, or even 1943 etc., gb would become just a continuation of a WW2 group build; even lasting as long as that war if each year became represented over time. Also, it restricts members who do not build or collect WW2 models from joining in.
I would suggest a complete step-change on era and possibly even genre. Other year-long subjects (even a small Tornado would take me that long!) could be:

A choice of era: VIetnam/Korea/Bosnia etc.
The heyday of passenger flight
The advent of jet airliners
The war at sea
The Battle of the bulge
Classic ocean liners
NASA's aircraft
'One small step for man'
Rotary flight
etc., etc.

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Post by Tim R-T-C »

I haven't had a chance to take part in the 1940 GB but want to join the next one.

The year long approach seems to work well.

Maybe a topic that covers a wider period range but a slightly more specific topic.

- Desert Wars - would cover WWI to contemporary types.

- Famous pilots

- Two-seat trainers (a personal favourite of mine 😁)

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bootneck42 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 13:06

The advent of jet airliners
...and to thing, someone thought they might get banned for mating Merlin's to a Heinkel :lol:

I suppose an exception could be made for jet airliners that first flew on or before 27 July 1949, or to be more sporting:
- jet airliners that whose first flight occurred within the 10-year period following VJ Day?
- Whif schemes permitted

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Which jet airliners were in commercial service before 1949? Or, even 1955 for that matter?
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I would also prefer a theme that is not so specific as the current GB. I have some WWII aircraft in my stash, but I prefer the aircraft from the Cold War or modern ones.
I would suggest something based on colors (I think we had a black theme sometime in the past). How about a natural metal theme? This could cover aircraft from any period and nation. Even airliners could fit in.

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Personally I don't need a whole year for a GB, but I understand that others don't have the time or are way more acribic then I am!
I'd prefer a 6 months GB with a rather broad topic including objects other than airplanes (as we just had). It should, however, focus on something completely different (not 1941 etc) to give the jet buffs or WWI specialists a chance as well. Could be Cold War or the like or something regionally limited like Mid East, South America, Africa, Skandinavia etc. That offers something for everybody, biplanes, props, jets, helis, airliner, vehicles and even ocean liners (if you empty your garage :mrgreen: ).
Be it 6 or 12 months - personally I would also appreciate a short focused GB in between - but that's only my two pence!

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so why not both?

why not organise 1 group build for the duration of the year, and have 4 3-month long (or 3 4-month long) GB's alongside that one?

for example:

-GB1: Jan 1 - Dec 31
-GB2: Jan 1 - Mar 31
-GB3: Apr 1 - Jun 30
-GB4: Jul 1 - Sep 30
-GB5: Oct 1 - Dec 31
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bootneck42 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 16:25
Which jet airliners were in commercial service before 1949? Or, even 1955 for that matter?
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I was being particularly difficult and obtuse as they're not really my thing.

I did say "first flight" and not "entered service",, thus giving a very short list would be along the lines of:

Comet Mk. 1
Avro Canadair c-102
Tuoolev Ti-104
The caravelle just sneaks in at the end.
The maybe some others??

But, ignore me.

However, I surely if there was a build of flying white tubes - surely, the they must have military varient or service to qualify?

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Mike, I can just see the owners of Welsh Models and Airfix reading your posts and smiling at the possible sales. :P

Plenty of excellent discussion thusfar. Just addressing the topic of duration and seeing Nils' post, the history of these GBs is that the early ones were anywhere between 3 and 6 months, and some attracted good participation rates. Admittedly, back then we had the inimitable Merlin Jones as a regular and the only modeller I know whose production line is even larger than Angus's! The first "all year" GB was to celebrate the RAF's Centenary, which of course gave scope to any aircraft that served with that service from 1919 on. The advantage there was that those of us who tend to focus our collections within certain historical periods were accommodated, whether post-WW1 biplanes, mainstays of Fighter and Bomber Command during WW2, or the modern line-up of turboprops, jets and choppers.

With the bizarre happenings of 2020, having a second year-long GB has worked well IMHO. Of course, having the "1940" setting has had the positive of being inclusive of anything related to that year, though again aviation has ruled the roost. The downside would be that "jet tragics" would have felt left out (yes, Miguel's Caproni Campini N.1 was NOT a jet, despite its appearance). We have had recent GBs covering much longer time periods (namely, the Cold War and Vietnam War - yes, there's obvious overlap here) but it would be fair to say participation rates weren't quite up to what we've seen in this year's GB. And the experiment of shorter GBs focusing on one type each (the Me262 and the MiG-21) - an approach which works extremely well on forums like Britmodeller - was a disaster.

Anyway, just the musings of an old bugger who has seen all 13 GBs. I participated - with varying degrees of success completion-wise - in 12, opting out of the MiG-21 build due to a lack of Fishbeds in the stash.
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Re: Please, sir, can we have another Group Build?

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Haven't had much time to post lately, but I'm keen to hear everyone's thoughts on the subject. I did enjoy the year long GB's and really appreciated the impetus they provided. Plus the work time to take on things that I would not have managed to do otherwise, such as the recent Magister and major chunks of the Battle and FE.2b projects. It looks like I won't be able to get my 109D and Blenheim out the door for the end of the 1940 GB, but to be honest I learned so much from them I still think they were worth a go (starting anything should be counted as a win I reckon).

I like the idea of a 1941 GB. Particularly as an ongoing concern. Something to do with completing an ancient project or refinishing a completed one might be good too. I really struggle with a three month build time though.

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