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Ian's Choices Il-2 vs Me109F

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Re: Ian's Choices Il-2 vs Me109F

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So after applying the White Winter coat you ten did the usual rubbing with to expose the underlying camo and then once satisfied applied a sealing coat of Future, applied decals and then a matte coat. And it was after the Matte coat was applied that you noticed the White had 'disappeared' to some extent?
Could the gloss coat have acted like water and activated the hairspray and caused the White finish to loosen and partly dissolve in the gloss coat giving it a more milky appearance?
regardless it is still looking good!
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Hello Peter, Normally I would use Pledge one go (future) to seal everything. Up to this point it appeared much more opaque as noted in the previous picture prior to decaling. I did do another hairspray job prior to sealing much like the IL-2. This time I used testors rattle can glosscoat as a sealing coat prior to decaling. I suspect that is where the problem lies. Interesting effect as one colleague said it looked like a light dusting of snow. Would work well on a gear down static job on a small diorama but not the effect I was attempting on an aircraft engaged in a dogfight. Interesting though....

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After a short intermission, I have added some Abteilung 502 oils to increase the level of distemper opaqueness.... Just add snow white and a touch of faded white to where I think it's needed taking care to dilute carefully with some white spirit prior to application. The result appears to my eye much more satisfactory.
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Not sure if I need to revisit in a day or two when the oils have dried and increase the level of 'whiteness' further..... any opinions?

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Hello All,

I'm calling time on the 109F. Just need to add some aerial line and that's that.....

Now to mount and complete the little diorama.
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Happy modelling all.

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Another wonderfully realised miniature, Ian. Can't wait for the unveiling of the diorama ... :mrgreen:
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Re: Ian's Choices Il-2 vs Me109F

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Looking great!

Distemper effect is very nice.

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Re: Ian's Choices Il-2 vs Me109F

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Looks terrific!
The Winter distemper is great.

On a side note, I wonder why they bothered to attempt a White snow camouflage when they leave large Yellow areas that really stand out! Almost like a "here I am, pretending that you can't see me".
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Re: Ian's Choices Il-2 vs Me109F

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That's an interesting point, I think the prevailing theory is that those sort of theatre markings helped you know who was friendly during the stress and chaos of dogfighting. From a concealment perspective - a total fail. From a modelling point of view it's rather nice. I guess that's why I haven't tackled too many modern Jets, boring light grey on another light grey camouflage.... just doesn't do it for me :P

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I totally agree with modern jets. They do look all the same in their low Vis Grey variations and they are all similar in shape. very 'ho hum' if you ask me!
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I have a similar argument with IJN aircraft and the predominance of IJN green/IJN grey schemes. Pity the creativity of the Luftwaffe or the Regia Aeronautica never really made it to the Japanese Navy during WW2. Fortunately, the IJA entertained a little more variety, particularly on aircraft like the Hein and Hayabusa.

The whole camouflage issue always intrigues me. How many cases do you have of highly "camouflaged" aircraft having adornments that make them stand out like dogs' ... eh ... thingies? Peter, your Vichy Hawk 75 is a perfect example. Let's try various two- and three-colour combos of dark greens, browns and sand tones, then paint either end of the aircraft in bright yellow and red stripes. Given what the Vichy faced from Allied fighters, a definite misplaced confidence in their ability to rule the skies. Still, makes for wonderful models on the display shelf 75 years later. ;)
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